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Date Posted:28-04-2015 06:28Copy HTML


They have painted me
The color I should be
Do you not find it pretty
I have acquired beauty

Not by the color you see
Neither green or black
My blood is red...the same color as yours

Hidden behind ebony skin and paint
You color me, what I ain't
Saint or sinner, pliant
I am woman not a fixture

I've attained valor
Strangely pure
Acquired
From what I perceive

Body paint
To deceive.
Maria

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Date Posted:28-04-2015 07:08Copy HTML

I have read this one a few times, Maria, it is an interesting concept...

to be perceived as other than one is, is niether new nor acceptable to me,

but your subject seems to be using the varying color aspects to her advantage,

a very interesting piece, a most unusual mind set, Zy x
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Date Posted:29-04-2015 04:47Copy HTML

Oy! I wrote, but it didn't appear. I think we are having problems. I will check in tomorrow.

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Date Posted:30-04-2015 10:35Copy HTML

Interesting poem and picture, Maria.

I think the most beautiful person is one who feels comfortable just being him or herself

A great, genuine smile is one of life's best examples of natural beauty.

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Date Posted:30-04-2015 06:51Copy HTML

Thanks Zy and Storm, it is diverse way I have projected my thoughts. Different and strangely unpredictable. I saw the picture and thought, why do people categorize others. By their looks, color, status? Do they not see the beauty within? Diamonds have to be dug up, cut and polished to make them priceless. A paper hung on the wall, does not make a person better than anyone else. They studied hard, I have to admit. Did you know that Einstein had the IQ of 50? He was a genius but man's measure of him was not what he was. Women, on the other hand have qualities way beyond expectations. We all have qualities, to be recognized; then we'll shine, to become a rare.
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Date Posted:30-04-2015 09:58Copy HTML

quote "I saw the picture and thought, why do people categorize others. By their looks, color, status?" unquote

Do you know, Maria, I have often asked the very same questions,
but my theory is simple, many find it easier to eleviate themselves, by standing on another,
nomatter the differences...and it is sometimes very hard, but, it's usually a big mouth or bank balance
and niether guarantee a good person, smiley8 Zy x

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Date Posted:01-05-2015 08:24Copy HTML

True, Zy. The people who judge, are blind to the fact that color doesn't matter. It is what a person can become. Attained brilliance like a gem. Only plied by an artisan, who factures the raw stone, then will a gem become a gem. We are imperfect gems that need to be put through the "fracturing of life," to become priceless.

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Date Posted:02-05-2015 04:11Copy HTML

I am posting something here that I wrote in NAF. I know it is not exactly on the topic of being mis-seen or judged as a person who is female, but it is another aspect of what you wrote your poem about Maria. Well done.

I have an adopted son who is African American/Hispanic, and I worry about him. Years ago Bill Cosby's son was stopped because he was Black in a white neighborhood. I cannot remember the details. In Bangladesh where everyone is a degree of brown skinned. Even there and in India people who are light skinned are favored for jobs and marriage. What is it about the human psyche that makes color prejudice. I had a picture of Zy taken in her early middle age I think. Then she showed us her Sophia pic in that string. She is lovely and still she suffered a lot as she has shared with us. The entire issue just makes me crazy!!!

The events in Baltimore Maryland, Missouri, and other places where there was racial profiling are heartbreaking. It will take a lot of change to correct this kind of injustice.

Well done, Maria!!!

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Date Posted:02-05-2015 08:11Copy HTML

You know .. my father was a British subject, he held a British passport and spent much of his younger years in the UK gaining his education, but he died in 1949 after ten years of a happy marriage apart from both their families cutting the young people out of their lives. My mother was Scottish as am I ... no asian influences since my father was only in my life for four years in the very Scottish city of Edinburgh. Both parents British subjects, Edinburgh/Britain is my place of birth.
But, I do however, have sallowed skin tone and for my sins, the prejudices started when four years old and at the moment at the age of seventy ... my grandaughter who will be 19 next month keeps the knife turning, I embarrass Charli because I am not white skinned....not last year, not ten years ago...but right now!!! It never stops one way or another.

I know what 'pliant' means and I am not 'pliant', but I hasten to add....nor am I black nor of African descent, just British with sallow skin colouring and I would have prefered to not have been brought into this topic collectively,
but Hey!!! I  am, simply by... the colour of my skin!!! Zy

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Date Posted:02-05-2015 09:41Copy HTML

I fully understand Zy. I have been in the world of prejudice. Portugal won't accept me, Japan won't either, so I am a woman in a "no man's land." Although I married an American, my kids suffer the same fate. Like they say, "East to the East, West to the West, and never the twain shall meet." I am empathetic to you. I have children that feel a wall between us. I am what I am, I have to be strong to be an Eurasian. And yet proud to be one. Bless your heart, dear one!
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Date Posted:03-05-2015 11:27Copy HTML

I'm sure one day people will find out that our bodies are merely a shell. I doubt our souls will be of different color. It should not matter what our skin looks like, whether we have the perfect shaped nose, blue or brown eyes, or if we are short or tall. It's like saying a white car is better than a black car just because of it's color. Is a  yellow car better than a red one? What really matters is what you find under the hood. What really matters is the heart and soul of a man.

Zy, I'm sorry that you are still facing prejudice, especially from your own family.

I am Native American, Scottish, and Acadian French. However, my skin is light. So, I experience prejudice from time to time among my Native American brothers and sisters. I don't always fit in because my skin is not brown enough. Although this is not on the same scale as what you have experienced, Zy, I do have some understanding.

I agree with Zy. People tend to elevate self by looking down on others.

Racist people lose out too, they deprive themselves of possibly meeting a beautiful soul because they cannot look pass the shell.

I have met and learned much from people of all shape, color, and status.

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Date Posted:03-05-2015 12:09Copy HTML

Mmnnn... it is interesting to hear other people's views on this matter, Storm, and the one thing I question is that you speak of cars, inanimate objects without feelings, emotions or opinions whereas the fact of the matter is that we actually are speaking of history between the white race and most others who are not. But, historically, there has always been a supremacy amongst mankind, it is simply the black and white has the simplest connotations of ... superiority. But great that you have joined the discussion, Storm, thanks.
No probs re Charli, one day I may meet Kyle and he will wonder why it took so long smiley22 but meanwhile...c'est la vie.

Maria's poem is right on the button as the subject speaks of being 'painted' by others and this is so true of discrimination, it is a practice of putting another human being down for no other reason than the fact they are visibily 'not ... white'.
Ignoring the Haulocust which was a different type of persecution and manipulated by a very powerful madman, but slavery, for instance and the results of, do endorse an (often held) opinion that black or simply darker skin has fewer rights than white.
From the variety of instances when prejudiced views have caused me problems, like the woman who saw me call my grandaughter hiding behind a freezer in a frozen food store and yelled security to call police because I was trying to kidnap her, to a Mother-in-law who would wonder if the neighbours had seen me arrive at her home when she was suffering the onslought of dimentia and all her friends had run a mile....to the store where the cashier tore open a sealed presentation box of sherry (for said M-I-L) because, and in all seriousness she said "I have to make sure it hasn't been opened" and I told the manager that one ring on my right hand was possibly worth more than 'her annual salary' so although I'd like her wrist smacked, don't forget to tell her that too!!!

Prejudice is such a mixed bag of 'for instances', Baltimore is not alone, we are having problems in certain suburbs of London and other major cities, perhaps not to the extent of brutal murder, but positive discrimination has been proven....and in my humble opinion, it is going to get worse, there are going to be renewed feelings of resentment and people like me cannot wear a badge to verify authenticity and right of abode, Zy
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Date Posted:03-05-2015 03:07Copy HTML

I have always had to explain my origin, so I would playfully say "I'm Russian, or I'm British or anything that would pop into my head, never revealing who I was. The workers in the street would stare and then call me "10 nations" ... I thought that I would not have to explain myself, when I came to the States. But it is the same here. So what to do, I just laugh and say, I am who I am, you say what you think, let us go from that. When I say I was born in Shanghai, they say "Oh, Chinese? I have to smile at their ignorance...they only know what they know. They cannot help being that way. Their world is small and they forget their insignificance in our vast universe. Thanks Storm and Zy for sharing your thoughts.
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Date Posted:03-05-2015 11:39Copy HTML

Zy, my use of inanimate objects was just symbolic.

I certainly was not saying that inanimate objects and humans are on the same level.

Under the Hood = What's on the inside of man (thoughts, feelings, values, morals, etc.)

What I was saying is that skin should not matter, even though it does with some people.

Social status should not matter....

Gender should not matter....

Size and age should not matter, etc.

What really matters is the character of man, the heart and soul



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Date Posted:04-05-2015 10:13Copy HTML

Hy, Storm, I realised you were refering to 'a car' metaphorically, but,
it is just that when we witness/read of so many incidents:happenings throughout history...
amazing features of most abusive acts is the absence of consideration and the positive disregard
for the feelings and emotions of the victim as an ordinary every day human being.

I know you are a kind and sensitive person from reading your posts over the years
on NAF and now on our boards here, Zy x
 


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Date Posted:04-05-2015 11:45Copy HTML

"Hy, Storm, I realised you were  refering to  'a car'  metaphorically, but,
it is just that when we witness/read of  so many incidents:happenings throughout history...
amazing features of most abusive  acts is the absence of consideration and the positive  disregard
for the feelings and emotions of the victim as an ordinary every day human being."


Seems like an incomplete sentence, or should I say thought here..

But what?

I shouldn't speak metaphorically?

I don't know how what I said ended up being something that made a serious issue seem unimportant.

I certainly wasn't making light of the feelings and emotions that "victims" of discrimination experience.

If I cannot speak metaphorically then perhaps I should not join in on topics such as this one, because that is often how I get a point across.

I will simply read poetry and participate in the challenges when I can.



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Date Posted:04-05-2015 12:25Copy HTML

If I cannot speak metaphorically then perhaps I should not join in on topics such as this one, because that is often how I get a point across.

Storm, I don't know where you got that from, it seems we were agreeing on the point of using 'metaphoric' expression and I simply took it a step further by stating the fact that some racial insults don't take into account that there are feelings involved, but I aknowledged that 'you' meant 'your comments' kindly.

I too use metaphoric expression around the boards, it is a welcomed and much used method of making a point, but obviously open to misinterpretation, Zy
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Date Posted:04-05-2015 03:59Copy HTML

Hi Storm and Zy, I am sorry I brought up a very controversial subject. I meant no harm, but wished I hadn't. I am sorry; it is sore subject and should  not be taken lightly, I apologize for the problem that I have caused.

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Date Posted:04-05-2015 05:25Copy HTML

Hy, you haven't caused any trouble and yes, it is a contraversial subject, Maria,  

and I don't believe it was taken lightly, but aren't we adult enough to be able to discuss it?

I think there was just a misunderstanding, as I said....no offence was intended,

so don't you worry yourself, Zy x

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Date Posted:04-05-2015 06:59Copy HTML

Thank you Zy, for being piece of mind, I thought I had opened a BIG can of worms. Oy! But now I am content to know I didn't cause an uproar.
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Date Posted:04-05-2015 08:01Copy HTML

Not that I am a part of this discussion but to me using metaphors is a poetic thing...even if was not used in a poem. Sometimes metaphors can be like the iconic comparing apples to oranges, but they nicely illustrate or put a spotlight that can be used as part of an explation.

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Date Posted:04-05-2015 08:35Copy HTML

I wanted to tell you Maria that I had read something about you living in Japan when I first came to the Corner. I never thought much about it, and I certainly did not get the info that you had some Japanese ethnicity. When I met you a while back I did not even notice that you looked in the least Japanese. I was talking to Storm one day and she mentioned your Japanese background. It was only when I had a look at the pictures I had taken that day that I could see that in your face. Just sayingsmiley5
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Date Posted:05-05-2015 11:10Copy HTML

Maria, as Zy already told you, there is no need for you to apologize. You did not do anything wrong. Racism is something that should be discussed, not hid under a rug as if it did not exist. I am not mad, but I did feel as if I was being gently reprimanded for using an inanimate object while trying to get a point across.

Zy, you ask how I came to the conclusion that I cannot speak metaphorically?

Well, I guess I should clarify by asking you a question.

How would I know when it is considered appropriate?

Maybe I am wrong, but it seems to me that you disapproved of my use of a car when discussing racism.

I think it was your use of the words "question" and "but" that brought me to that conclusion.

"Mmnnn... it is interesting to hear other people's views on this matter, Storm, and the one thing I question  is that you speak of cars, inanimate objects without feelings, emotions or opinions whereas the fact of the matter is that we actually are speaking of history between the white race and most others who are not."

"Hy, Storm, I realised you were  refering to  'a car'  metaphorically, but, "


I apologize if I am wrong. I will just avoid touchy subjects.

No worries!


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Date Posted:05-05-2015 12:24Copy HTML

Ahhaa, I see where the misunderstanding occured, Storm, if you stop one word short of the 'but'
we have a generalisation, and the but is where one is making a point, be it historically or generally
but (and there it is again, lol) it doesn't mean anything personal in any way, or at all even...
it's just a 'but' linking two comments.

Opinions are shared, Storm, discussions take place from time to time and metaphors and generalizations
are used at will, not 'with allowance' or fear of misinterpretation, just spoken as if in a room chatting together.
I have a feeling it is an American/English slight misinterpretation of how the words were phrased which
has caused this, but it certainly was not a veiled nor concealed humbrance of 'any' sort, just conversation, Zy



 
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Date Posted:06-05-2015 12:09Copy HTML

No worries, Zy. Like I said, I'm not mad. However, it wasn't just the word "but" that made me come to my conclusion, it was when you said, "One thing I question". Where I live that would mean.....I don't really agree with you or I don't like what you said. Anyway, I appreciate the fact that you have explained your response to me.
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